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To recognize the courage, heroism, and contributions of American service personnel found to have been exposed to Agent Orange in a combat zone ... whose lethal exposure to Agent Orange resulted in internal, invisible wounds, which are revealed only by the passage of time.

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A Prime Example of Swiftboating

It's remarks like these, unfounded accusations, that make it so bad. These obsessive individuals who rant and rave without anything to prove their story. These individuals and forums who support them should be examined because it's one thing any veteran knows, when someone obsesses like this they are trying to take the heat off themselves. We most always find out they are the ones who are hiding a lie... :)

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Re: CONFIRMED: Acebass Fake Military Veteran!!!
Now Acebass/LibLaw has me wondering what an Edwards Democrat is like now that I fairly know what a wasted lying slug Ronnie is. Seriously. I really want to know!

Oh yeah, once again Acebass/LibLaw... your not a Vietnam Vet according to sources.

Does this also mean that you understand how other wannabes like you feel? How about you write a story about wannabes like yourself. Simply title it 'confessions'

Billy C from Cincinnati

Friendly Fire Deaths

It wasn't until my involvement in the Vietnam war that I realized that not all casualties were from enemy fire. Of course common sense will tell you that mistakes happen and in war things get out of hand in a hurry, but it seems that it was more prevalent in the Vietnam war.

The 1 percent rate is well below that of Operation Desert Storm when 17 percent of all service members who died were killed by friendly fire. Rates for World War II, Vietnam and the invasions of Grenada and Panama were also higher than the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,90677,00.html

Examples of the Vietnam war;

• Vietnam War: 8,000 (14%)

  • USCGC Point Welcome was attacked by USAF aircraft, with two deaths resulting.
  • USS Boston, USS Edson, USCGC Point Dume, HMAS Hobart and two U.S. Swift Boats, PCF-12 and PCF-19 are attacked by US aircraft on June 17 1968.^[13] Several sailors were killed and PCF-19 was sunk.^[14]
  • On May 11, 1969, during the Battle of Hamburger Hill, Lt. Col. Weldon Honeycutt directed Cobra helicopter gunships, known as Aerial Rocket Artillery (ARA), to support an infantry assault. In the heavy jungle, the Cobras mistook the command post of the 3/187th battalion for a Vietnamese unit and attacked, killing two and wounding thirty-five, including Honeycutt. This incident disrupted battalion command and control and forced 3/187th to withdraw into night defensive positions.
  • Sergeant Michael Eugene Mullen killed by American artillery on 18 February 1970.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

It's a tragedy to for any war but then the Vietnam war had it's own unigue form of friendly fire deaths. There were some who were killed intentionally by those individuals who would take things into their own hands. A 2nd Lt. fresh out of OTS might find himself with an M16 round in his back should he be deemed hazardous to his platoon or worse on the receiving end of a frag grenade. There are no statistics to show how many were killed on purpose but it happened. I can imagine and only hope that the ones responsible are eventually held responsible if by no one then their own conscience.

The second classification is "murder" where friendly fire incidents are premeditated. During the Vietnam War, some officers who overtly risked the lives of their soldiers were murdered by those men in incidents known as “fragging.”^[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

Any casualty of war is a tragedy, whether by friendly fire or by the enemy. Sometimes when trying to understand a veteran, specially a Vietnam Veteran, it might be well to consider that the person having problems with the war may be related to them having caused or being personally responsible for the death of one of your fellow soldiers. That would, to me, be something I would have a hard time dealing with.

PTSD

This is something that until Vietnam we never really addressed but Vietnam was unigue in many ways. I found this article to be very informative.

So it is no surprise that when military personnel have severe difficulty getting over the trauma of war, their psychological difficulties have been described as "soldier's heart" (in the Civil War), or "shell shock" (in World War I), or "combat fatigue" (in World War II). After World War II, psychiatrists realized that these problems usually were not an inborn "mental illness" like schizophrenia or manic depressive illness, but were a different form of psychological disease that resulted from too much war trauma: "traumatic war neurosis" or "post-traumatic stress disorder" (PTSD). Most war veterans are troubled by war memories, but were fortunate enough either not to have "too much" trauma to recover from or to have immediate and lasting help from family, friends, and spiritual and psychological counselors so that the memories became "liveable." A smaller number, probably about one in twenty among World War II veterans now, had so much war trauma and so many readjustment difficulties that they now suffer from PTSD.

http://www.ptsdsupport.net/ptsd_symptoms_oldervets.html


However the Vietnam war wasn't popular and the veterans from that war were looked on with disdain and in some instances disgust. It was the first time in our history that a war veteran was not welcomed home with parades and thanks for a job well done. This made the pain of having gone to war that much worse.

Not only did the Vietnam veteran experience the horrors of war but returned home to an unfriendly nation at war with itself. Many Vietnam veterans couldn't cope and went over the edge, others buried it deep inside and let it fester. Most are still reliving their horrors even today despite efforts by some to make it right for them.

http://www.nationaloperationwelcomehome.com/index.htm

http://www.whvvd.org/whvvdwebsite/homepage/homepage.html


to name a few.

What is PTSD?

What is Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)?

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can occur after you have been through a traumatic event. A traumatic event is something horrible and scary that you see or that happens to you. During this type of event, you think that your life or others' lives are in danger. You may feel afraid or feel that you have no control over what is happening.

Anyone who has gone through a life-threatening event can develop PTSD. These events can include:

* Combat or military exposure
* Child sexual or physical abuse
* Terrorist attacks
* Sexual or physical assault
* Serious accidents, such as a car wreck.
* Natural disasters, such as a fire, tornado, hurricane, flood, or earthquake.

After the event, you may feel scared, confused, or angry. If these feelings don't go away or they get worse, you may have PTSD. These symptoms may disrupt your life, making it hard to continue with your daily activities.

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_what_is_ptsd.html



As you can see, by definition, it is not primarily a combat related illness but it is an illness none the less. War however is the primary cause of PTSD. The symptoms vary by the experience that brought on the PTSD.

There are four types of symptoms: reliving the event, avoidance, numbing, and feeling keyed up.

Reliving the event (also called re-experiencing symptoms):

Bad memories of the traumatic event can come back at any time. You may feel the same fear and horror you did when the event took place. You may have nightmares. You even may feel like you're going through the event again. This is called a flashback. Sometimes there is a trigger: a sound or sight that causes you to relive the event. Triggers might include:

* Hearing a car backfire, which can bring back memories of gunfire and war for a combat veteran
* Seeing a car accident, which can remind a crash survivor of his or her own accident
* Seeing a news report of a sexual assault, which may bring back memories of assault for a woman who was raped

Avoiding situations that remind you of the event:

You may try to avoid situations or people that trigger memories of the traumatic event. You may even avoid talking or thinking about the event.

* A person who was in an earthquake may avoid watching television shows or movies in which there are earthquakes
* A person who was robbed at gunpoint while ordering at a hamburger drive-in may avoid fast-food restaurants
* Some people may keep very busy or avoid seeking help. This keeps them from having to think or talk about the event.

Feeling numb:

You may find it hard to express your feelings. This is another way to avoid memories.

* You may not have positive or loving feelings toward other people and may stay away from relationships
* You may not be interested in activities you used to enjoy
* You may forget about parts of the traumatic event or not be able to talk about them.

Feeling keyed up (also called hyperarousal):

You may be jittery, or always alert and on the lookout for danger. This is known as hyperarousal. It can cause you to:

* Suddenly become angry or irritable
* Have a hard time sleeping
* Have trouble concentrating
* Fear for your safety and always feel on guard
* Be very startled when someone surprises you

What are other common problems?

People with PTSD may also have other problems. These include:

* Drinking or drug problems
* Feelings of hopelessness, shame, or despair
* Employment problems
* Relationships problems including divorce and violence
* Physical symptoms

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_what_is_ptsd.html



and can last a life time.

What can you do?

What treatments are available?

When you have PTSD, dealing with the past can be hard. Instead of telling others how you feel, you may keep your feelings bottled up. But treatment can help you get better.

There are good treatments available for PTSD. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) is one type of counseling. It appears to be the most effective type of counseling for PTSD. There are different types of cognitive behavioral therapies such as cognitive therapy and exposure therapy. A similar kind of therapy called EMDR, or eye movement desensitization and reprocessing, is also used for PTSD. Medications can be effective too. A type of drug known as a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI), which is also used for depression, is effective for PTSD.

http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_what_is_ptsd.html


The sad thing is we are creating a new crop of PTSD sufferers with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and we will have to have the treatment available for those men and women returning from this conflict. Maybe we've learned from Vietnam and we will be able to keep this new generation of Veterans from suffering what my generation has. At least I hope so.

Who's a Veteran?

To start with I guess we should explain what a veteran actually is. Of course you can be a veteran without ever being in the military. Veteran just gives you a sense of purpose in what ever your a veteran in whether it be police, fireman, military, etc. It just highlights your experience.

Anyone who has been in the military for any length of time is considered a military veteran and then the military awards status according to where you were stationed and what you did while you were there. WWII, Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq/Afghanistan, the men and women who participated in them were known also by the added distinction of their particular conflict.

I'll discuss the Vietnam war because that was the one I was involved in. It was a war like this country had never seen before, brought into your living rooms nightly on the news and it seems to be tearing the country apart even to this day, some 35 years later, as it did then. I'm speaking of course about our current political campaigns and how anyone who served in the Vietnam war is suspect in using anything about their veterans status for an advantage. In fact I can't think of any other period in time when someone would have the gaul to guestion a candidates service to his country. Now we have coined a phase which should stand for honorable service but instead Swiftboats will have forever been cursed with the stigma of hate and lies.

The Vietnam war has also brought out a new phenomenon. In all the other wars up to Vietnam there was no distinction as to what your service included. If you stormed the beaches at Normandy or supported the aircraft in England you were considered a WWII veteran. Now it seems there is a small movement who insist that if someone claims to be a Vietnam vet they'd better be able to show their DD214 to prove it and you'd best have served in combat, and in country. I'm not sure what drives their reasoning maybe it was the divisive nature of the war, it's hard to tell. I wrote to a few veterans organizations about it and they confirmed that, to their amazement, some were trying to make the distinction.

To give you some insight into what I'm talking about. I personal served 6 months on Guam in 1968 and 12 months in Thailand at Utapao and Takhli RTAFB in 1969-70 all of these bases were considered as in the Vietnam Theater of operation. There are now some who would take offense at calling anyone who served in those country's as support of Air Operations in Vietnam supporting the troops on the ground, a Vietnam Veteran. It's petty, childish, unsubstantiated and divisive but that's what that war seemed to do best, divide us.

It should be interesting from now on though. McCain is the last of the Vietnam era vets that will take a shot at the Presidency. With the new crowd coming up there's not a lot of military experience to be a factor so maybe we can forget about swiftboats and let them rest. Then the "In Country" crowd can just drink beer, fart, and pound their chest all they want. "Ain't Nothin But A thing!"

Now that Johns out of the race

I will admit it was a shock to hear my favorite candidate was no longer in the race. I know that had John stayed in he would have made a difference but such is politics. I was thinking of shutting this blog down but I decided not to for now. I still consider myself an "Edwards Democrat" and I'm a Vietnam Veteran so I'm thinking of some ways to let this site grow for veterans who feel as I do. I'm not sure where I'll take it but you can believe it will be positive because thats the kind of person I am. I will make it helpful for veterans of all wars and who knows maybe something good will come from this. Keep checking back as I plan to up date on a weekly basis.

My first installment will be the Vietnam war and how it has affected politics. Swiftboating, how that war more so than any other war divided a country and continues to do so to this day. Not only dividing the people but the veterans themselves. How some have been able to leave it behind and carry on with their lives while others still live it to this day.

I'll probably be changing the name of the blog but for now I'll keep it as it is so people can still find it. Be sure and tell your friends and leave any suggestions you might have. Thanks and I'll see you next week.

Whats it for?

Some one made the comment last night what do I hope to gain? I had to laugh because that person just didn't understand an Idealist.

An idealist is this...

1 a: an adherent of a philosophical theory of idealism b: an artist or author who advocates or practices idealism in art or writing2: one guided by ideals; especially : one that places ideals before practical considerations

Now see if you understand

An idealist doesn't care about the outcome. Yes John has 26 delegates we hope to add to that total oblivious of the fact that there's not enough delegates left for him to win. What an idealist cares about is that they stood by what they believed in.

An idealist leads a small rag tag army across a frozen river in hopes of beating a much larger force. An idealist doesn't care they'll get in trouble for throwing tea in the harbor because they know they are right. And an idealist will stand their ground till they are able to place their flower in the barrel of a weapon that would blow them to pieces.

I'm an idealist. I know that Johns withdrawn and suspended his campaign but it hasn't suspended what I believe in. I believe in the same things John Edwards believes in. I plan to go to the polls here when I can and vote for John Edwards. It may be the only vote he'll get here in Kentucky but when it shows up on the screen know that it was me and know that I stood firm in my beliefs and I can rest at night knowing I did what I had to do.

A feeling of satisfaction. Thats what I hoep to get out of this. Thank you.